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are sweet potatoes determinate or indeterminate

Dec 13, 2020

I live in Bulverde ,TX,JUST 30 MIN. I have been reading your stories on the potato towers and decided it will give them a try this year. – 4th most consumed. I am going to do a trash can next season as I hear that works well too……. Will try taters again in a raised bed with peas next year. Thinking I will stick to the traditional method from now on. I would go on quality, not quanity. I’ve used the black fabric potato bags and garbage cans. Add a few marigolds, to keep the aphids away and make sure you close any holes so the carrot fly doesn’t come visiting. (both sweets and Irish) That w/ the Irish potatoes, just like tomatoes, there are determinate and indeterminate varieties. I would suggest loosening the soil a bit with a digging fork before setting the seeds but it’s not necessary to turn the soil. My sweet potatoes are super green and vibrant. Dang, it sure got tall though. I did this last year in an old metal trash can {you posted my photo of my *ahem* dirty potato last year} and had about the same luck as your first two towers. And always tomatoes where they fall, rot and I ignore them until spring. Late season alternatives to yukon gold are Yellow Fin and Binjte. or do you have to wait for a layer to start growing, direct the plant out the side & then layer more seed potatoes, dirt & straw? Never had any luck because of soil diseases, even using certified seed potatoes. Therefore, you can use both determinate or indeterminate varieties of tubers for this purpose. However you need a multicrop potato in order to do this – there are some good books on Amazon which detail which potato for which situation or google and choose which potato(s) are good for you. Our "Container," “Window Box” and “Bush” varieties are semi-indeterminate. Determinate and indeterminate potatoes are defined by growth patterns. I was sooooo excited! Potatoes with red skin are healthier than, for example, bland Russets. As you stated: they don’t like real dry growing conditions either. I ask because i live in Tx as well and am about 9-20-35 days late depending on your source in planting my potaoes and wonder if it is too late? All the varieties described below are technically sweet potatoes, though they’re often called yams. Thanks for checking. Cured sweet potatoes keep up to 6 months when stored around 60°F with high humidity. That’s what I know. First, I’d like to thank you for all the great information you provide on your site. I like this design for people with small yards, but still want to plant potatoes. I have heard that if you let banana peels dry out on top of your soil you can chop So we will see. (btw- with blue potatoes I get a low yield where ever I plant them- I think that is standard for some blue varieties). They might be from a potato you forgot to dig up the year before, and it grows into a new plant. I will try again next year, perhaps using more straw mixed into the compost. They require regular pruning and need to be supported with trellising, stakes, or cages. Might be a little late in starting a tower but with all the rain we have had over the past month here in Maryland everything is being planted late this year. Not to contradict you, but are you sure you only planted a pound of seed potatoes (a pound is approx. What variety did you use? Filled the entire bed liner (which I had originally dug DOWN into the ground so the top was @ ground level), & ended up harvesting about 48 lbs of potatoes! What you also have to remember is that the towers only took up a percentage of the ground area against planting the same ammount of potatoes traditionally, so for a small garden they might be a more effective use of your growing space. Tasmanian Chocolate (photo on left) - Semi-Indeterminate: Strong-yielding, short, sturdy vines that reach about 2 1/2 to 3 feet tall. Sweet potatoes are from the morning glory family, Convolvulaceae, and white potatoes are nightshades, or Solanaceae. Double boo! No, I’m not sure because I didn’t weigh them. Water and fertilize as needed. I’m in Western Washington, too…south Snohomish County. The mulch is just for keeping the soil from drying out. They had plenty of drainage holes but because of all the rain that year the plastic held the moisture and they rotted. I too understand the disappointment of digging up spuds to find a handful instead of a bucket full! Determinate: Yukon Gold, Norland, Superior (add Red Norland and Red Pontiac from other source) Think I’ll be looking for another bed liner on Craig’s list for Russian fingerlings for next year. Both the man and the tomato deserve more recognition. I am going to dry out Each branch ends in a flower cluster and fruit tend to ripen over a 3- to 4-week period. Slicing Tomato seeds - Paul Robeson [Solanum lycopersicum] Indeterminate. loads of compost, straw, layering, preventing rot….. some flowering, more flowering, then yellowing… then…. Determinate varieties are relatively small, bushy and compact. Several different varieties of potato fall into each category, so there are plenty from which to choose. They are generally described as short season, medium season, or long season rather than determinate or indeterminate. Final Harvest – just over 5 pounds. http://cropwatch.unl.edu/potato/yukongold_management, http://ipcm.wisc.edu/download/vgu/Vegetable%20Crop%20Update%20%2316.pdf. I have the best success growing an a bed and hilling. from http://ipcm.wisc.edu/download/vgu/Vegetable%20Crop%20Update%20%2316.pdf. Just sew in straight(ish) lines and use the thinnings to cook with and keep thinning during the summer for salads and snacks and by winter you have lovely long thick carrots for the winter. Yukon Gold is an early variety that only sets potatoes once; hilling or boxing them does no good and in fact lowers yield. These varieties are compact and dwarf in height (3-4 feet), and will produce new fruit throughout the season. Hi, I don’t have time to read all the replys so I don’t know if anyone mentioned this, but it might be your soil. I also tried burlap bag last year without much results but I think my wTeri g was not consistent. Your tip on taking the tower into The garage for the winter is awesome! 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I was really hoping you would unlock some big secret for me to replicate next year. He also nipped out the blossoms if any occurred. Thank you for your time and happy gardening!!! Also, do you think I can use last year’s cut horse hay instead of straw? My blues are the fastest to harvest and produce the biggest yields of any of the varieties we’ve tried. They potatoes have grown allot and are looking great. Expect an intense harvest from determinate varieties. Agreed. Take your potato peelings and bury when ever u peel and u will be surprised. I think it may also depend on whether you are using a determinate variety or an indeterminate variety. Maybe some seeds carried in w/ your dirt. List of indeterminate and determinate potato varieties. Table 1. Placed 6″ of Tagro in the bottom & planted blue potatoes every 12″ or so. I think it’s amazing how much we can subsist on stuff that we are able to grow ourselves instead of being dependent on grocery stores. Thank you for supporting One Hundred Dollars a Month. I’ve also tried these alternative methods of growing and found them to be a bust. Potato Plants. All our plant tags identify whether a variety is determinate or indeterminate (bear longer, on long vines). In the very top of the potato bag I tend to grow little gem lettuces or basically any salad leaf you fancy. . Speckled Roman is a favorite for it’s gorgeous appearance and versatility in sauces and as a slicer. Indeterminate. I got 5 nice sized potatoes, I’m guessing 1 1/2 pounds. The plants will only grow to a certain size and will only grow up to a certain amount of potatoes. 8 to 10 2-3 inch seed potatoes)? Well it was a lesson that’s for sure. I haven’t weight them, but I would guess that a full bucket weighs at least 15 pounds, maybe more. there is a web site called Winter Sown that teaches planting or sowing seeds in the winter to come up in the spring. Like I said, I didn’t weigh the seed potatoes, because I just used leftovers from last year (didn’t purchase fresh). Make sure there is an eye in each section. Each tower produced hugely. In fact, it’s just the tip of the iceberg. The early variety tends to set potatoes once and then mature. Do you happen to know which type Yukon Golds are? Excellent yield! Sweet potatoes do ok, and yes, they do bloom here. Waiting till late Oct before I tip that over-as long as it’s died back by then. Once the plant got tallish he would add dirt up to the leaves – not over the top of them. Recently I learned that potatoes are either determine or indeterminate. Anyway- I will try again next year (glutton for punishment) and hope you do too. Thanks! When they have grown 8″ to 12″ tall check the underside of the leaves for little orange eggs, These are from the Japanese Beetle and must be eliminated to have a good yield. of potatoes per grow bag. but bulking ends much earlier in the season. It was recommended to keep the soil light so they grow better. I watered 1 to 2 times a week and applied some Miracle Grow Miracid 3 times throughout the growing season. I planted some russet potatoes in a flower bed with the drip irrigation sprayers on a timer. They grow to their expected height, flower and set fruit in a shorter period of time. I did a yard cleanup and covered them with all the weeds and leaves that I failed to rake up in the fall. of seed potatoes will make about 10 - 15 potato … where did u get your seed potatoes? These affiliate links help support this site. Most potato varieties are determinate. My Dad used to “hill” the potatoes. It is nearly impossible to determine the difference by looking at an eye or sprout of a potato. Volunteers come up on their own. We grew them about two years ago and did pretty well. Incidentally, yams and sweet potatoes are different. Of course, you can find out if a potato is indeterminate or not by growing it! I do have a few questions if you would please as I was not able to locate a answer to these questions in any of the previous posts… When you re-top (if you will) with dirt and straw, when do you do it and how much dirt and straw do you top with? You Have to cut up the potatoes leaving an eye in each piece, plant the cut up spuds, allow them to grow about 6 inches, then almost bury the plant with dirt. Mavis, where in the towers are you finding the potatoes? Lots of work and little yield. I leave my potatoes until everything has yellowed and died, I then move them into the garage for winter and harvest as I need then one bag at a time. I tried that and had poor results then I read this which may be your problem. I plant them about 8 inches apart in rows also 8 inches apart. When it died I dug it up (for the funny of it) and the original tuber was 3x the size and we had sweet potatoes coming out of our ears! Determinate potatoes flower once and produce one layer of potatoes, so they are not suitable for bin growing. Long season potatoes will, if you continue to hill them up at a judicious rate, continue to form tubers until cut short by cold weather. to keep it from blowing away. I am eager to try it just so long as I find the right variety of potato! More than we will eat in a year. Kennebec potatoes are best suited for cooked applications such as baking, mashing, or roasting, but their best virtues are displayed through frying. When the plants would shoot up 12″, I’d add 6″ of more Tagro. I use grow bags (available from Gardener’s Supply); they do a good job of giving the potatoes good drainage while also helping to retain the right amount of moisture, and mine have lasted for about 3 seasons and show no signs of rotting or going “bad.” I get about 11 lbs. TONS of straw. A lot of the later season varieties tend to grow far larger potatoes with a lot more foliage. heck, I planted on May 11 and dug up 1 plant yesterday, August 7, 88 days after planting. You’ll need to weight it down a bit with rocks, wood, etc. Read on to learn more about growing these potatoes. I tipped over my little russet tower and red potato tower and it was a small total (less than 5lbs total) but it was a hoot searching for them like little eggs! I have just recently been told that the variety of potato matters. Determinate crops, tend to mean bushy in nature but restricted somehow, such as in height or cropping (single crop of a specific size). Most determinate garden plants are labeled as ‘bush’ variety, though many of them don’t actually grow into bushes. That’s above average. Indeterminate potato varieties, which flower continuously throughout the growing season, are better for bin growing. I planted 2 seed potatoes per bag except the bag I dug up yesterday only had 1 plant. This year is the first time I planted potatoes. Our reds though, SO MANY!!! “The potato is excellent in salad, boiled, baked and roasted. It is by far our favourite for mashing, but they don’t mash well until late September.” ... these varieties have the ability to continually produce potatoes due to their indeterminate growing habits. Try Burpee's Potato Planter to avoid digging and mounding. Antioxidants make the spuds more nutritious and a diet rich in antioxidants helps to lower your risk of cancer. Mounded on dirt and compost and grass clippings a couple times early in the season and then forgot about them. Also it will give your hills more room for the growing spuds to come. I cheated and used sweet potato starters that I spaced evenly around the tower. With the sweets-I planted “Vardaman”. For those who don’t know, you need late-season potatoes for towers or bags to do much. We hilled as they grew (rototilled between rows and raked the loose dirt up around the plants until they became too tall to continue). Copyright © 2020 One Hundred Dollars a Month - Disclosure Policy - Design by Sharon Hujik, North Central and Rockies Region Planting Guide, How to Find Vegetable Starts for Your Garden In October - Steal Them From Your Neighbor. I thought for sure tower #3 would yield the least amount of potatoes because when I had planted it, I packed so much dirt and straw in the wire cage, that I assumed the potatoes wouldn’t produce much. They can be planted in only 4 in. Since 1987, this variety has become one of the world’s most popular and for good reason. This is because new potatoes are very small, and they will not require an immense amount of space to grow to their full potential. Also, people don’t understand (I didn’t) determinate vs indeterminate potatoes. Potatoes are fun and easy to grow in the garden and even in containers. What are the name of some late season potatoes? Hi Mavis. Because of all the spaces between the wood pieces, the potatoes received enough air and grew fantastic. Determinate potatoes will grow to a genetically determined height and then stop. I don’t have a yard to grow anything in, and vegetables are not my first choice when it comes to food…but I love watching your blog and seeing everything you grow. Remember, when you are ready to use them, wash with plain cold water and a scrub brush first. 🙂 I have a question for everyone who used straw in the tower: did you have a rodent problem? Wasted less dirt that way. You have to plant the right kind (indeterminate) for a tower, but still if the soil is too warm it’ll affect your yield. Then let them grow, when they look almost dead dig them up, leave them on the ground for one day. Potatoes need LOTS of water to grow and multiply. And you’ll just have little bitty potatoes if at all. I know I’m late to the party but I’m very interested in this subject. I’ll tell you what I know… not a suggestion though. We decided not to plant again next year and devote the space to things that grow better here. Red Gold potatoes, however, have yellow flesh and red skin, a stunning combination. What we want to use in the tower is the indeterminate type. That way you have many feet of buried stem to make tubers. So far my best results stemmed from using the “old fashioned” tried and true methods of hilling. I planted sweet potatoes last year (in a raised bed). They also offer free tomato seeds for a SASE sent to them.. I’m guess that in your case Tower 3 yielded the most because it allowed some air to get into the soil. Problem is, it is difficult to find accurate information on potato habit. Our best results are planting in deep raised beds that have been amended in the fall with leaves. We don’t get many, and if you don’t find all of them they will come up again from the unfound ones. Them up and mix them with the soil you use for I wish I had tried your methods years ago when I was able to garden. I’ve always had wonderful luck just hilling them up as they grow with grass clippings, hay straw, weeds, newspaper, compost, anything organic to keep the stem covered so more tubers could grow. I noticed in late spring that I had many robust potato plants sprouting out of the compost pile. It was a fun experiment, tho! yup. All this sophisticated ways of growing the good ol’ spud! I think we are zone 5. we plow the garden each fall with a 2bottom plow, disc in the spring, and then farmboy rototills for all he is worth before we plant and after the plants are up far enough to hill them. Any yours look beautiful!! I’ll try the towers this year. I had wound the end of my soaker hose up from the bottom of the tower thru the middle of the compost, so it received plenty of moisture. I’m just wondering since your results would be a 45/1 yield. I have 2 large shade trees in my front yard that have white blooms and black cheeries that were volunteers. From experience I have found that growing onions, shallots, garlic etc in shallow cardboard boxes works well, just line the box with a bin line with holes in it. Back to the basic next year. But it was a fun idea to try. It made a huge pile of leaf mulch for the spring. Potatoes with red skin are not only pretty, but their bright color makes them extra nutritious as well and those aren’t the only reasons for growing red potatoes. That’s interesting. We had strange summer weather here in the Kansas City area, so maybe that had something to do with my tower flop, too. 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